The Future of Supcom - Page 2

Poita_ · 08-07-2007, 03:04 AM

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I think they are going to try very hard to get FA correctly balanced, and hopefully we will be included in that process.

But seriously, the mercy is not as OP as you think it are. Also this new threat from the air, compensates for cbryan t2 land dominatino, poor uef tho.

I also do believe that they are going to try hard for FA and I'm not sure but I think I remember someone talking about a beta. I really hope they get it right because it could be their last chance to attract some real competition.

While the mercy may not make Aeon OP I still think it is an OP unit on it's own. As you say, attacking air is just stupid; it should never of happened. Flying through flak with a bit of micro shouldn't be possible either considering the insane damage that just one mercy can do.

I think my main gripe with the mercy is that it discourages expansion even more. Even if mex get fixed so that actually having a tier 2 mex outside your base is useful the mercy will just make it useless again because of the lengths you need to go through to protect it.

BattleMoose · 08-07-2007, 06:33 AM

I dont get this, I cant expand because of mercies argument.

You build t1 mexes everywhere you can, and its stupid to use a mercy on them.

And its stupid to upgrade your outer mexes to T2, if you cant protect them, if you want to upgrade mexes, upgrade the ones in your base. And why are you upgrading t2 mexes, havent you heard of fabs?

So either you are complaining that some noob is spending 300 mass to take down 30 mass building, or you are building a 900 mass mex, where you cant protect it. Either way, someone is doing something stupid. And if you have ints, you can even intercept the mercies.

Poita_ · 08-07-2007, 04:42 PM

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And its stupid to upgrade your outer mexes to T2, if you cant protect them, if you want to upgrade mexes, upgrade the ones in your base. And why are you upgrading t2 mexes, havent you heard of fabs?

So either you are complaining that some noob is spending 300 mass to take down 30 mass building, or you are building a 900 mass mex, where you cant protect it. Either way, someone is doing something stupid. And if you have ints, you can even intercept the mercies.

Oh sorry, I forgot to mention in my post. What I meant to say that even if the economy in Sup Com was fixed and building tier 2/3 mex outside your base was actually a feasible option then the mercy would still be a resistive force against those who want to expand.

I see the ideal economy balance in this game to be in such a way so that players are constantly battling for those mass points and actually building tier 2 and 3 mex, not just in their base but outside it too. Obviously fabs are the entire reason this does not happen just now but if fabs were fixed then the mercy would still discourage expansion because of the speed it can react to an expansion attempt.

0xA9F · 08-08-2007, 12:51 AM

I thought the "goal" of this Thread was to debate whether SoS acted like a prick (a.k.a. overreacted) or not, not a "the mercy is not OP versus the Mercy is OP" thread; please we have enough of them and I grow sick and tired of them too, but that's not important.

To the question, whether SoS used his scythe once too often::
I find it always stupid when threads and/or posts get deleted under mysterious circumstances. I've read SoS posting in this particular thread (the one OP links to) I found the first half cheesy and slimy-slime. The other half was from someone who *seems* to be pissed of. (I put the seems into *'s cause I don't know him good enough to make a correct judgement)

From my point of view:: The way SoS responded to this wasn't the brightest, with that I mean the Thread in question. I still think that they will do stuff about balancing to appeal everyone and/or create a gameplay that is suitable for "competitive gameplay". The reason for me is rather simple:: marketing and making money. Cause I see leagues for a game, where prize money is involved, as a marketing strategy, where you increase the popularity and attract more gamers to the game. You can't do this if the balancing is crap or the "professional gaming community" thinks that the game sucks.

So after that rubbish blabbering in the last paragraph of mine: let's come to an end, again my twisted vision of things::
Lot of ppl overreacted when the Mercy came out, this enraged other ppl who overreacted by themselves and this lead to yet another group of People who got pissed, so everyone fucked up, Funkoff for posting his "Aeon Guided Missile" Thread, SoS for posting that particular thread, and the rest of us cause we didn't think clearly for a couple of minutes and just started to whine and bitch around.

Ich habe fertig.(quoted from Giovanni Trappatoni)

Laffin · 08-13-2007, 10:12 PM

As someone who as just got the game after being showcased it by a good friend of mine (I was very impressed), I am very disappointed by the attitude shown by the GPG forum moderators. It puts a sour taste in my mouth to see how they regard their own game and the people who play it and take the time to comment on it.

The fact that they locked the discussion whereby I could not comment on it makes me disenclined to ever feel the want to comment on anything. Freedom to speak about a purchased product is a fundamental right of the consumer as far as I am concerned. Not the freedom to throw insults though.

I remember playing TA Kingdoms. The mods went into an absolute denial about the dirigible being overpowered. I quit the game in boredom before they ever fixed it. Overpowered tactics with limited counters ruin a game. This seems to have all the same hallmarks although ostencibly not the same company.

Still, the supremated "After the war" mod seems to have all the things I'm looking for in this game and the people putting it together seem very responsive to the comments they recieve, abusive or not. I long to get back to Bolivia so I can try it out. I very much doubt I shall purchase the expansion I've heard about due to their current balancing practises. They could learn alot from warcraft 3 (that also gave free heros). It took a long time to get there but the company never stopped until it did - a fact that we were all aware of.

I'm not after free units that I'm expected to lavish praise on, only mutual respect between myself and those whose product I have paid for with my time and effort. They seem to be lacking.

kiwik · 08-31-2007, 02:53 PM

Will this topic get locked if I start posting in it?

Seems like I am the antichrist on the GPG boards, I get bashed by hordes of fanboys for speaking my voice.

GuTs · 09-02-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwik

Will this topic get locked if I start posting in it?

It won't

kiwik · 09-02-2007, 03:52 PM

Thanks for clearing this out.

08-08-2007, 12:51 AM	#14 (permalink)
0xA9F Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 12	I thought the "goal" of this Thread was to debate whether SoS acted like a prick (a.k.a. overreacted) or not, not a "the mercy is not OP versus the Mercy is OP" thread; please we have enough of them and I grow sick and tired of them too, but that's not important. To the question, whether SoS used his scythe once too often:: I find it always stupid when threads and/or posts get deleted under mysterious circumstances. I've read SoS posting in this particular thread (the one OP links to) I found the first half cheesy and slimy-slime. The other half was from someone who seems to be pissed of. (I put the seems into *'s cause I don't know him good enough to make a correct judgement) From my point of view:: The way SoS responded to this wasn't the brightest, with that I mean the Thread in question. I still think that they will do stuff about balancing to appeal everyone and/or create a gameplay that is suitable for "competitive gameplay". The reason for me is rather simple:: marketing and making money. Cause I see leagues for a game, where prize money is involved, as a marketing strategy, where you increase the popularity and attract more gamers to the game. You can't do this if the balancing is crap or the "professional gaming community" thinks that the game sucks. So after that rubbish blabbering in the last paragraph of mine: let's come to an end, again my twisted vision of things:: Lot of ppl overreacted when the Mercy came out, this enraged other ppl who overreacted by themselves and this lead to yet another group of People who got pissed, so everyone fucked up, Funkoff for posting his "Aeon Guided Missile" Thread, SoS for posting that particular thread, and the rest of us cause we didn't think clearly for a couple of minutes and just started to whine and bitch around. Ich habe fertig.(quoted from Giovanni Trappatoni) __________________ I have killed thousands. I have killed proud young warriors and wise old rulers. I have killed mothers with babes in their arms. I have killed the just, the wicked, and the beautiful. I have done this for two thousand years in the service of His Divine Shadow and apparently the fun never stops! (Kai, last of the Brunnen-G, Lexx)

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08-07-2007, 06:33 AM	#12 (permalink)
BattleMoose Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 30	I dont get this, I cant expand because of mercies argument. You build t1 mexes everywhere you can, and its stupid to use a mercy on them. And its stupid to upgrade your outer mexes to T2, if you cant protect them, if you want to upgrade mexes, upgrade the ones in your base. And why are you upgrading t2 mexes, havent you heard of fabs? So either you are complaining that some noob is spending 300 mass to take down 30 mass building, or you are building a 900 mass mex, where you cant protect it. Either way, someone is doing something stupid. And if you have ints, you can even intercept the mercies.

08-13-2007, 10:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
Laffin Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1	As someone who as just got the game after being showcased it by a good friend of mine (I was very impressed), I am very disappointed by the attitude shown by the GPG forum moderators. It puts a sour taste in my mouth to see how they regard their own game and the people who play it and take the time to comment on it. The fact that they locked the discussion whereby I could not comment on it makes me disenclined to ever feel the want to comment on anything. Freedom to speak about a purchased product is a fundamental right of the consumer as far as I am concerned. Not the freedom to throw insults though. I remember playing TA Kingdoms. The mods went into an absolute denial about the dirigible being overpowered. I quit the game in boredom before they ever fixed it. Overpowered tactics with limited counters ruin a game. This seems to have all the same hallmarks although ostencibly not the same company. Still, the supremated "After the war" mod seems to have all the things I'm looking for in this game and the people putting it together seem very responsive to the comments they recieve, abusive or not. I long to get back to Bolivia so I can try it out. I very much doubt I shall purchase the expansion I've heard about due to their current balancing practises. They could learn alot from warcraft 3 (that also gave free heros). It took a long time to get there but the company never stopped until it did - a fact that we were all aware of. I'm not after free units that I'm expected to lavish praise on, only mutual respect between myself and those whose product I have paid for with my time and effort. They seem to be lacking.

08-31-2007, 02:53 PM	#16 (permalink)
kiwik Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 18	Will this topic get locked if I start posting in it? Seems like I am the antichrist on the GPG boards, I get bashed by hordes of fanboys for speaking my voice.

09-02-2007, 03:52 PM	#18 (permalink)
kiwik Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 18	Thanks for clearing this out.